How Much Value is Added at Elite Institutions - Response to Haim #2

Some blog followers might be interested in a recent post “How Much Value is Added at Elite Institutions - Response to Haim #2” [Hake (2011d)].

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ABSTRACT: In my post “How Much Value is Added at Elite Institutions?” [Hake (2011c)], I wrote:

“. . . . demonstrations that the less-than-stellar value-added assessments of Korsunsky's high school and Stuyvesant High School are inequitable would require meaningful value-added measures such as normalized average pre-to-posttest gains on valid and consistently reliable tests of higher-order learning. . .”

Math-Teach's “Haim” responded: “The problem is that you are not sure what you are measuring."

NONSENSE! In the case of Harvard, the higher-order learning consisted of conceptual understanding of Newtonian mechanics.

Haim continued: “First, parents and students seem to know something about Stuyvesant that educator assessments clearly fail to discern. . . . . Second . . . very many of Stuyvesant's students graduate at a very high level (certainly by comparison to most other high school graduates) of academic achievement. . . . the real problem is transparent. It is the ceiling effect. . . .City-wide and state-wide assessments are simply not designed for academic institutions.”

The above has nothing whatsoever to do with the theme of my post: “It is conceivable that if there were ‘Eric Mazurs’ or ‘John Belchers’ at Korsunsky's high-school and the Stuyvesant High School, scenarios similar to that at Harvard and MIT might occur. . . . . [[i.e., realization that students were not learning much from traditional passive-student lecture methods followed by a switch to interactive-engagement pedagogy.]]. . . . , even though all those institutions are regarded as ‘elite.’ ”

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Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University

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Alfred North Whitehead (1929, 1965) in The Aims of Education

REFERENCES [URL's shortened by http://bit.ly/ and accessed on 26 Jan 2011.]

Hake, R.R. 2011a. “The Ceiling Effect #2” online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at http://bit.ly/hUnHZe. Post of 12 Jan 2011 16:19:49-0800 to AERA-L and Net-Gold. The abstract and link to the complete post are being transmitted to various discussion lists are also online on my blog “Hake'sEdStuff” at http://bit.ly/gLWr7W with a provision for comments.

Hake, R.R. 2011b. “Value-Added Inequities: Should Value-Added Measures Be Used to Evaluate Teachers?” online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at http://bit.ly/fN1HmD. Post of 18 Jan 2011 15:34:47-0800 to AERA-L and Net-Gold. The abstract and link to the complete post are being transmitted to various discussion lists are also online on my blog “Hake'sEdStuff” at http://bit.ly/h23shQ with a provision for comments.

Hake, R.R. 2011c. “How Much Value is Added at Elite Institutions?” online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at http://bit.ly/g25OHd. Post of 22 Jan 2011 14:50:14-0800 to AERA-L and Net-Gold. The abstract and link to the complete post are being transmitted to various discussion lists are also online on my blog “Hake'sEdStuff” at http://bit.ly/gnLPjH with a provision for comments.

Hake, R.R. 2011d. “How Much Value is Added at Elite Institutions – Response to Haim #2” online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at http://bit.ly/gxUOAb. Post of 26 Jan 2011 16:14:36-0800 to AERA-L and Net-Gold. The abstract and link to the complete post are being transmitted to various discussion lists. See also the relevant previous posts Hake (2011a,b,c)].

Whitehead, A.N. 1967. Aims of Education and other essays. Free Press. Amazon.com information at http://amzn.to/fIUbXB. First published in 1929. Note the “Look Inside” feature.